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Interview with Kathryn Nelson, Fantasy Novelist – How To Write the Future podcast, episode 161

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“So that you see that the principle characters’ relationship develop. You see how their nation’s altering, their themes of psychological well being and girls’s rights, social justice, there’s magical gems. There’s Ice Giants, elves, yeah, the entire good issues.“ – Kathryn Nelson

From Ice-giants, fantasy worlds, to the facility of fantasy in addressing real-life points. On this How To Write the Future episode, host Beth Barany talks to fellow fantasy Novelist Kathryn Nelson, the place they talk about writing about matriarchal societies inside their novels, together with why there’s a want for sturdy character function fashions. Plus, Beth and Kathryn discover optimistic futures by storytelling.

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ABOUT KATHRYN NELSON

Kathryn Nelson is a author of trustworthy fantasy, real heroines, and wellness knowledge. She lives in Northern Eire together with her husband and Irish purple setter and spends her time sitting at a sunny desk overlooking her wild backyard when writing day by day. She enjoys lengthy walks within the hills and by the coast, while conjuring dragons from the sky, questing for selkie within the sea, and conversing with fairies within the woods.

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Transcript for episode 161 Interview with Kathryn Nelson, Fantasy Novelist

Introduction

BETH BARANY: Hello everybody. Welcome or welcome again to How one can Write the Future podcast. I’m your host, Beth Barany, and I’m a science fiction and fantasy author, and, writing coach, trainer, editor, and filmmaker.

I run this podcast as a result of I’m very inquisitive about speaking to authors and different futurists and different individuals who care concerning the future as a result of I consider with story, with our tales, we might help folks reshape how they consider what could possibly be doable. And my massive focus is on serving to us be new people. How can we alter the best way we work together with others and in addition with ourself?

And my focus is on optimistic, optimistic futures as a result of why not? Our creativity is unimaginable. Why not use it to create worlds and relationships that may profit all of us, all people and all residing creatures on this planet.

[00:59] Visitor Introduction: Kathryn Nelson

BETH BARANY: So I’m very excited at present to carry to you a particular visitor, an creator, a fantasy novelist, Kathryn Nelson.

Kathryn, welcome. So glad you might be right here.

KATHRYN NELSON: Pretty. Thanks for having me.

BETH BARANY: And I perceive you’re calling in from Northern Eire, is that proper?

KATHRYN NELSON: Yeah, that’s proper. It’s fairly heat over right here really in the mean time. Not too dangerous.

BETH BARANY: I’m within the foggy San Francisco Bay space this morning. So with the magic of know-how, we are able to join in actual time. It’s so fantastic.

[01:27] Kathryn’s Background and Inspirations

BETH BARANY: So everybody, I’m gonna learn to you just a little bit about Kathryn so you will get to know her, after which we’re gonna dive into our interview.

So Kathryn Nelson is a author of trustworthy fantasy, real heroines and wellness knowledge. She lives in Northern Eire together with her husband and Irish Purple Setter. And spends her time sitting at a sunny desk, overlooking her wild backyard when writing day by day. She enjoys lengthy walks within the hills and by the coast, while conjuring dragons from the sky, questing for selkie within the sea, and conversing with fairies within the woods.

What a good looking bio. Welcome once more, Kathryn. So glad you might be right here, and I’m actually excited to speak to you about, I do know one thing we have now in widespread with our fiction is that includes sturdy, attention-grabbing ladies within the main function.

That’s so fantastic.

KATHRYN NELSON: Yeah, positively.

BETH BARANY: Yeah. So good. So that you clearly carry your Irishness to all that you simply create. I may simply inform out of your bio.

[02:29] The Energy of Fantasy in Addressing Actual Points

BETH BARANY: So I used to be questioning if you happen to may reply for us: How can the fantasy style present a novel perspective on points near dwelling?

KATHRYN NELSON: I feel the fantasy style is actually attention-grabbing as a result of you can also make up these form of totally different worlds, and be totally different magic and totally different organizations for society and entire new planets. After which you will get this entire totally different perspective at points near dwelling.

So I write about social change and parenting and household stuff, and relationships and it’s set on this fantasy world. And at one level they go and go to the ice giants and their entire society is a matriarchy, so simply actually attention-grabbing what if, what if query, I feel. And fantasy and sci-fi as nicely, are a very good automobile for these kinds of questions.

BETH BARANY: I completely agree. That’s fantastic. And is it the ice giants which are matriarchal?

KATHRYN NELSON: Yeah. Yeah. They’ve bought a matriarchy, but additionally it’s extra of like an anarchy, however like in the very best type of means they’ve put this which is do what you need and you are taking private duty in your actions. Yeah, some attention-grabbing penalties for the story form of development.

After which, the principle characters come from what was, begins off within the story as like a army tyranny, dictatorship, after which it transitions right into a monarchy after which she visits the neighboring nation and extra a communist model authorities happening. After which she goes and visits the Ice Giants, and different societies.

How she will then take these classes again to her nation.

BETH BARANY: I actually love that. I’m doing one thing comparable in my science fiction area station thriller collection, the place my predominant character will get to see totally different sorts of societies, however I’m doing it one guide at a time.

[04:14] Position Fashions in Fiction

BETH BARANY: Why in your opinion, do you suppose we have to see actual folks navigating, residing in these fantasy worlds?

KATHRYN NELSON: I feel it’s actually essential as a result of they’re function fashions that archetype they usually for me, like I discover, like I’m influenced by what these characters do on this state of affairs. Okay. I’m going to behave like them and actually admire them and what they do. And I simply see quite a lot of not excellent function fashions typically in public tradition.

Not simply books, however tradition basically. And I simply discover it actually, a part of the rationale I like writing is trigger typically like dangerous tales are extra inspiring for me as a result of I’m like, oh, that’s so annoying.

Like I actually wanna retell that story in a greater means, the place the ladies’s bought extra of a voice that’s, yeah, only a higher function mannequin. It annoys me when ladies, then are both like actually wimpy or they will go for like every week with like no meals and no sleep after which be like struggle an enormous battle on the finish. It’s like, once I was studying that stuff, as a young person, I’d be like, oh, I’m not like that. That’s simply not sensible.

BETH BARANY: Yeah. Yeah. After which it’s like there’s no means that you might ever aspire to that, as a result of it’s utterly unrealistic to how actual folks function. Yeah.

KATHRYN NELSON: Yeah, positively. And, and once you attempt to be taught and like navigate relationships as nicely. Then there’s examples of dangerous relationships for the sake of drama or the sake of the story, however they really mad modeling, actually core conduct. And that units up in your expectations for you. The relationships you may have in actual life yeah, it’s simply, yeah not useful.

BETH BARANY: Yeah. So that you’re actually pointing to one thing that I actually, love additionally about tales is that utilizing your tales to mannequin the very best of humanity, even in, within a fantastical setting. I really like that.

KATHRYN NELSON: Yeah, positively. And yeah, I don’t like something too darkish, there’s sufficient darkish stuff happening on the planet, like there could possibly be a little bit of darkish, a little bit of journey, a bit of pleasure, however yeah, positively a contented ending. I’ve been studying quite a lot of cozy fantasy lately, which is simply very nice.

Identical to folks being good to one another, good issues taking place. It’s simply actually, yeah, good.

BETH BARANY: I’ve learn just a few cozy fantasies. I’ve actually loved them. I do learn quite a lot of cozy mysteries. My favourite are the comfy thriller fantasies. Placing that every one collectively.

KATHRYN NELSON: Okay.

BETH BARANY: Yeah. Oh, that’s nice.

[06:39] Exploring Optimistic Futures By Tales

BETH BARANY: And this actually segues us to the subsequent query, which is how can fiction that explores options encourage a brighter future?

KATHRYN NELSON: I feel it’s what we’ve been speaking about from the function fashions, about, all of these what if questions.

I wrote a collection of quick tales some time in the past, not revealed, however simply as like thought workout routines about form of environmental issues and visioning, what would these options seem like?

So about rising meals in cities and rewilding rivers and, what would neighborhoods, on the time there was speak about, oh, you may’t do that and also you’ve gotta do this and all like actual adverse stuff or doom and gloom stuff. And I used to be like, let’s take into consideration what this might seem like and attempt to do it in a very optimistic means as a result of what you’re imagining is what’s gonna occur.

BETH BARANY: I so agree, you’re reminding me of this motion that individuals are creating artwork in known as Thrutopia. Are you acquainted with Thrutopia?

KATHRYN NELSON: Oh, I heard the phrase the opposite day.

BETH BARANY: It was coined by, I consider, an activist who, after which I realized it from Amanda Scott, who’s a author, a British author who then taught an exquisite class that I used to be part of just a few years in the past. The place writers are and different artists are utilizing their creativity and creativeness to jot down tales about, what if optimistic environmental change, and the way will we not utopia, which is when the whole lot is all labored out, however how will we get there?

How will we undergo the current second into the form of world we wanna create? So how do folks come and work collectively? How do collectives make choices to learn the neighborhood?

I watch quite a lot of YouTube, so I watch movies about, oh look, they took a plain golf course, they usually turned it, they rewild it. Oh, look how they did that, and look what occurred.

So displaying optimistic tales and the way the collective comes collectively to make the choice, after which the optimistic impression that has and the way that’s taking place now, or it may occur tomorrow. And so displaying us the steps that we are able to take to make these greater modifications that have an effect on the communities, the communities that we reside in.

Yeah.

KATHRYN NELSON: Yeah. It’s wonderful. Yeah. And wonderful how tales might help present, present that means.

BETH BARANY: Yeah. I adore it. So these are some quick tales that you simply wrote that you simply haven’t revealed but?

KATHRYN NELSON: Sure, however these kinds of themes weave by my novels as nicely, you recognize the talks about metropolis healthcare and like more healthy household dynamics and, the principle character ultimately finally ends up on just like the governing committee within the nation. And he or she’s like the primary lady to do this. The feminine voices up on these larger ranges of administration, so yeah, these kinds of issues that..

BETH BARANY: Oh, that’s fantastic. I actually love that. And that brings us to this subsequent query, which is: why is creating wholesome function fashions for girls essential in 2025 and past?

We’ll begin with the place we’re proper now.

KATHRYN NELSON: I feel there could be quite a lot of negativity, like within the information, social engagement, however I feel, it’s simply what we’ve been saying isn’t it? About these optimistic tales, optimistic function fashions. To not like utterly ignore the much less optimistic stuff that’s happening, and to not, you recognize, you’ve bought to acknowledge that on the identical time, it’s additionally a part of the story, nevertheless it’s about, I feel it’s, you recognize, the place your, What’s the phrase, the place your consideration goes is the place your vitality flows? Is that the phrase? Like that’s you recognize, what you deal with, what you, what you take a look at.

I noticed your bio. You speak about neuro linguistic programming, just like the phrases that you simply use and the way you, the way you discuss, that self discuss and the way you discuss to different folks. Prefer it’s all so essential. And if you wish to go in a extra optimistic route and see more healthy, yeah we’d like these function fashions, tales which might help us navigate our journey.

BETH BARANY: That’s lovely.

[10:35] Kathryn’s Guide Sequence Overview

BETH BARANY: I really like seeing your books behind you and I used to be questioning if you happen to may give us the quick, again of the guide blurb about your collection, about Guide one to entice folks to take a look at your books.

KATHRYN NELSON: Yeah. Gems and Big collection. There’s 4 books in book, paperback and audiobook. Siria is married to the excessive commander, who has taken the thrown away from the king and is holding the nation in a grip of army tyranny. And he or she is kidnapped by the monarchist insurgent who’s hoping to show her to his trigger, they usually go on an journey, and in order that’s guide one.

After which the subsequent books are set all form of a 12 months aside. So that you form of see the principle characters relationship develop, you see how their nation’s altering. There’s themes of psychological well being and girls’s rights, social justice. There’s magical gems. There’s Ice Giants, elves, yeah, the entire good issues. Guide one is free if you happen to join my publication. So if you happen to go to my web site and join the publication, so you may yeah, test it out.

BETH BARANY: Oh, that’s fantastic. And so inform us, your web site hyperlink.

KATHRYN NELSON: So it’s KathyrnNelsonWriter.com

BETH BARANY: Lovely. I encourage everybody to test it out. I’ll positively test it out.

[11:53] Remaining Ideas and Wrap-Up

BETH BARANY: And as we wrap up at present, is there anything that you simply wish to speak about or carry up, or say as we wrap up our interview?

KATHRYN NELSON: No, I feel that’s coated the whole lot. It was beautiful speaking to you. I really feel like we’ve bought rather a lot in widespread, and you recognize, comparable themes in our writing.

BETH BARANY: Completely.

And I really like that you simply’re coping with psychological well being points. I’m really engaged on a TV collection that I wanna carry out psychological well being points in a means that the group is dealing with nicely. So I really like that you simply’re doing that and I presence sturdy ladies, as my predominant characters in all my tales.

‘Trigger ‘ trigger, function fashions, we’d like function fashions. Yeah. So that is fantastic. I simply wanna thanks a lot, Kathryn. I hope that this was an excellent first interview. I do know, it’s, all of us have to begin someplace, and I positively would love to listen to extra about you and your work because it evolves.

So we’ll positively need to have you ever again, and, yeah, that’s it. And, simply wanna thanks once more for being a visitor.

KATHRYN NELSON: Thanks a lot for having me. I actually loved it.

BETH BARANY: That’s so nice. Alright everybody, that’s it for this week. Write lengthy and prosper.

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